Who does Wonder Woman love most?

Courtesy of DC Comics

Steve Trevor

When you think of Superman, you think of Lois Lane, the human he loved. And when you think of Wonder Woman, you think of Steve Trevor, the American soldier who landed on the Amazon's Paradise Island during WWII. Princess Diana nursed the wounded soldier back to health, and escorted him back to the Man's World. Steve Trevor became Diana's tour guide to human customs, and her source of enduring flirtation.

Trevor's presence in Wonder Woman's life has been a fixture of Wonder Woman's 75 years of comics. In the early years, Steve pined for his faraway Wonder Woman, unaware that his secretary Diana Prince was actually Wonder Woman in disguise. Though Trevor felt occasionally emasculated by Diana — who turned down his proposals many times — the couple eventually married in the last issue of the first incarnation of Wonder Woman.

In later comics, Trevor and Wonder Woman have a flirtation, though she's often too distracted by crimes to focus on her American soldier.

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#1  Edited By batmanbeyond8

IN THE animated series it batman in the dark knight returns it is superman

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I think the question is does Superman and Batman love each other

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depends on what universe youre reading kc has superman and WW  in the current mainstream earth WW loves batman

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#4  Edited By Primmaster64

Superman....Bats has way too many chicks after him...plus he already said that he loves Selina.

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I grew up on JL and JLU, where she was very much in love with Batman. 

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#6  Edited By Mighty Thorion

In the Silver Age it was often implied that WW was attracted to Superman & the feeling then - as in some quarters now - was that as an "ordinary" mortal, Batman was beneath her. Times change and I guess I'm not really bothered either way. Shouldn't think anything serious will develop, though.

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#7  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

Modern Age; she loves Batman. A lot. Enough to overpower a Black Ring and become a Star Sapphire. It's not even a contest. She looks at Clark like a brother in the New Earth continuity.

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Why does she need to love EITHER of them????

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#11  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Batman she loves romantically and adores as a warrior but she loves Superman more as a friend and they are closer if that makes sense

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#13  Edited By deactivated-5e429ca5ed12b

I think the WW-SM arc slowly died down as it was an obvious coupling, I guess the writers decided to throw in another player to make things a lot better. I think for once, they were able to get it right. Sales went up when BM-WW sky rocketed. 

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#17  Edited By Icarusflies  Moderator

And why can't Wonder Woman be her own person? Why is it always 'Oh, Wonder Woman love BATMAN' or "Wonder Woman loves Superman'.  

She's shown much more interest in Nemesis.

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#18  Edited By MrDirector786

She and Superman actually did get married and had a child in Kingdom Come.

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#21  Edited By torchbearer_d

Batman. Superman and WW lack chemistry in the modern age. Diana and Bruce on the other hand;  

WIN.

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#22  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

@batmanbeyond8 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: In witch part of blakest night srry i read but i think i missed that could you tell me which part "
Sorry mate, this didn't show up in my inbox.   

Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #2

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I don't think that she really needs to love one over the other.  For the sake of argument though, it seems that she has been linked more recently to Batman than anyone else.  The Nemesis "romance" seemed forced.

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#28  Edited By angryamazon

I think the question should be which couple do YOU love...bats n ww ot supes n ww....I am team Batman on this one. I love them together!!! This is probably gonna sound lame, but it kinda reminds me of the Dawson's creek Triangle...joey pacey dawson. I totally get that supes n ww are close just not romantic. I am a fan of their friendship. plus...my guy bestie loves superman and i love ww so seeing them have the same relationship we do is nice.

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I'm gonna give my vote to Batman on this.

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She doesn't love either of them, she's been attracted to them but that's mainly been out of convenience.  Superman because of the age old kevin smith-style theory that she's the only one strong enough to father his kids. Batman because on JL/JLU animated Bruce was the only viable single option (Supes was with Lois, GL with Hawkgirl & Flash was more like a brother)  If Wonder Woman is ever going to be the success it needs to be DC needs to get a writer who can follow through on strong strorylines, doesn't use gimmicks (costume changes, blowing up paradise island) and has WW stand on her own independent of other books not needing Superman or Batman.  

Greg Rucka was an obvious good choice but going forward I'd say any of the big guns Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns would be a bit overkill so go for someone who's good but just needs an opportunity to be even bigger. Gail Simone, her previous work on WW was very good, she's done a good job on secret six and birds of prey. I say bringing her back and giving her the task of putting WW back in The Trinity. Other options Brian K Vaughn, Warren Ellis and Mark Waid. 

 

Phil Hester is a good choice

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#33  Edited By BiteMe-Fanboy

she loves women.

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Canon or not, they just look perfect together.   

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@thatlad said:
" She doesn't love either of them, she's been attracted to them but that's mainly been out of convenience.  Superman because of the age old kevin smith-style theory that she's the only one strong enough to father his kids. Batman because on JL/JLU animated Bruce was the only viable single option (Supes was with Lois, GL with Hawkgirl & Flash was more like a brother)  If Wonder Woman is ever going to be the success it needs to be DC needs to get a writer who can follow through on strong strorylines, doesn't use gimmicks (costume changes, blowing up paradise island) and has WW stand on her own independent of other books not needing Superman or Batman. 
amen.

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come on this thread is so silly

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#38  Edited By mrtrickster

it used to be superman, but from nowadays, definitely batman

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Bats.

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#42  Edited By Godlovesusall

Well,yeah, Justice League emphasized more on Wonder Woman+Batman. But,I believe there were also hints of affection between Superman and Wonder Woman as well.For example,check out Diana's reaction when Superman is thought dead at Hereafter(1).

I believe Superman and Wonder Woman would be an excellent couple together (both of them have good characters,kind-hearted and so on and so forth).And Wonder Woman can very well take care of herself,so Superman doesn't have to worry (unlike Lois)!!:)

Despite Superman is my favorite (I like Batman just a tiny bit less!),it would be better that Batman be with Wonder Woman.This would make his soft,light,human side come more to the surface,more noticeable.

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#43  Edited By super_psycho

@jasraj said:

1) Batman is in love with Talia
2) Superman is in love with Louis Lane

This :)

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#44  Edited By LoganRogue24

i think diana loves clark bruce already said he loves selina kyle like others have mentioned. plus i like the Bruce/Selina pairing a little more then Bruce/Diana i love Lois/Clark to.

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#45  Edited By yumyumbubblegum

Louis Lane is Clark's Mary Jane. They were even married. Bruce has had a range of intimate relationships, none of which are set in stone like that of Louis and Clark.

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IMO it's Superman. In the future when Lois dies. (She seems to be always dead in the future for some reason) They do have a history together. Also the in the new 52 they are going to hook up.   Superman and Lois are the main couple but when that is over I can totally see Superman and Wonder Woman together.   

WW and Batman always seemed wrong to me.

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@Dernman said:

IMO it's Superman. In the future when Lois dies. (She seems to be always dead in the future for some reason) They do have a history together. Also the in the new 52 they are going to hook up. Superman and Lois are the main couple but when that is over I can totally see Superman and Wonder Woman together. WW and Batman always seemed wrong to me.

Pretty much this although I wouldn't really mind seeing Bats and WW together but still prefer supes and WW.

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Wonder Woman loves the night life and shes got to boogie on the disco round, oh yea. Please don't talk about love of Batman or Superman tonight. Your sweet-talking won't make it right love and lies just bring Wonder Woman down when Batman and Superman got Wonder Women all over town. They can love them all and when they're through maybe that'll make, huh, a man out of Superman and Batman. Wonder Woman's got to go where the people dance. She wants some action she wants to live. Action, Wonder Woman has got so much to give. She wants to give it and she wants to get some too. Oh I, Wonder Woman loves the nightlife and shes got to boogie on the disco 'round, oh yea. Oh, Wonder Woman loves the nightlife and shes got to boogie on the disco 'round, oh yea. Oh, Wonder Woman loves the nightlife and shes got to boogie on the disco 'round, oh yea. Oh, Wonder Woman loves the nightlife and shes got to boogie on the disco 'round, oh yea.

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#50  Edited By daredevil21134

@entropy_aegis said:

@Jade1977: Who loves jordan anyway

Sinestro

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#51  Edited By entropy_aegis

@daredevil21134 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@Jade1977: Who loves jordan anyway

Sinestro

LOL

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She belongs to Batman.

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#53  Edited By MrDirector786

I think Superman

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I hope Supes

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#55  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

@FadeToBlackBolt said:
Modern Age; she loves Batman. A lot. Enough to overpower a Black Ring and become a Star Sapphire. It's not even a contest. She looks at Clark like a brother in the New Earth continuity.
This guy is correct.   

Oh, how about that? It's me. 

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:
Modern Age; she loves Batman. A lot. Enough to overpower a Black Ring and become a Star Sapphire. It's not even a contest. She looks at Clark like a brother in the New Earth continuity.

That guy should pat himself on the back because this was very well said.

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#57  Edited By Video_Martian

Steve Trevor

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#58  Edited By super_psycho

Me

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#59  Edited By Superguy0009e

you know what they say, once you go Bat, you don't go back.

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#60  Edited By mbk3boeheim

I think Batman and Superman are crazy for wonder woman.....

//how-i-met-your-mother.sequd.com/ , //robot-chicken.otavo.tv/

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It would be too cliche for superman and wonder woman to be together

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#63  Edited By HolySerpent

Bruce and diana should be togther before Clark and Diana. Also am I'm the only one who hates superman and Lois

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#64  Edited By The Impersonator

@Dr_Columbo said:

I think the question is does Superman and Batman love each other
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

lol

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One thing I noticed the other day whilst watching the Superman/Batman: Apocalypse movie:  Whenever Diana spoke to Superman, she always spoke down to him. She was never nice to him, but always treated him like some outsider. When spoke to Batman however, she would literally step down a notch or two. For example, when Supes intervened when Kara was training, Batman went off at him and Diana was like "Bruce...".   

She clearly wants in on that.

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@RainEffect: I totally ship it.

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Unless it's JLU, it always been Superman. Batman is that bad boy that most girls like but Superman is the one you wanna marry...lol

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Bats.

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@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

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@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

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@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

Yes, you're welcome.

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@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

Yes, you're welcome.

Of course I am.

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@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

Yes, you're welcome.

Of course I am.

Of course you are. :p

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@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

Yes, you're welcome.

Of course I am.

Of course you are. :p

Glad we agree.

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@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

Yes, you're welcome.

Of course I am.

Of course you are. :p

Glad we agree.

So am I even though it's gone over your head what you have agreed to. :p

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@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

@Dernman said:

@ReVamp said:

Bats.

Ya you have to be batty batshit crazy to think it's not Superman. :p

Nope, thanks.

Yes, you're welcome.

Of course I am.

Of course you are. :p

Glad we agree.

So am I even though it's gone over your head what you have agreed to. :p

Start making sense pl0x.

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@Dr_Columbo: I totally agree with you lol

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@The Dark Huntress said:

@RainEffect: I totally ship it.

co-signed.

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Diana should be with neither.

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@HBKTimHBK said:

Diana should be with neither.

This. Both Batman and Superman already have established love interests. None of them really have romantic feelings for her.

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@soccersss:

OMG yes.......she totally deserves her OWN iconic love interest just like the rest of the Trinity has!

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Batman

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Circe. B)

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  • Superman/Lois Lane
  • Batman/Catwoman

Why does Wonder Woman need to come into the picture?

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#86  Edited By BatteredArmor

@HBKTimHBK said:

  • Superman/Lois Lane
  • Batman/Catwoman

Why does Wonder Woman need to come into the picture?

DRAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAA. also I hate the cat so Wonder Woman is preferable

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@BlackArmor:

You know this is how it should be, lol. And even then without Selina, he has Talia.

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#88  Edited By BatteredArmor

@HBKTimHBK: I know that's how its going to be but I don't have to like it. I actually support Zatanna and Bats because that episode of Justice League Unlimited peaked my interest as a kid but Wonder Woman and Batman wouldn't be that bad

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@BlackArmor said:

@HBKTimHBK said:

  • Superman/Lois Lane
  • Batman/Catwoman

Why does Wonder Woman need to come into the picture?

DRAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAA. also I hate the cat so Wonder Woman is preferable

<33333333333333333

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@BlackArmor: I always pictured Diana as a very independent, single person. But that's just IMO.

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#92  Edited By BatteredArmor

@HBKTimHBK: Yeah Wonder Woman can easily be fine on her own or be the dominant force in a relationship but a romantic relationship would have an intresting dynamic with her and Batman or her and Superman I wouldn't mind seeing either on a trial run but she defiantly doesn't need a man especially not an alpha dude like Bruce and Clark but it could still work

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batman loved selina, diana, talia, u name it. 2011 reboot, diana luvs steve trevor again

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Diana and Bruce forever!

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I aways like teh idea of him and WW...but i dont how sex with an amazon would be pleasant , any contraction, and he become batwoman.

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@Rasarima said:

I aways like teh idea of him and WW...but i dont how sex with an amazon would be pleasant , any contraction, and he become batwoman.

After all of the insurmountable odds that he's overcome, I doubt that making sweet love to an Amazon would be much of a challenge for him. ;D

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Neither are her true love. I see it as have a quieter friend/love/companionship like many people do after her true love dies but their life isn't over.Batman and WW make a horrible pair.   

She makes a much better pair with Superman long after Lois is dead.

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@Dernman: OMG..........you are the only other person who sees that pairing as horrible like moi.......

i absolutely hated what JLU animated series did to Diana......i found it completely unfair to her character......

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#99  Edited By Primmaster64

Both?

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Her love for the Bat is indescribable.

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#101  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

@jrock85 said:

Her love for the Bat is indescribable.

This. I don't understand why threads with known answers exist. It's like asking who Superman's alter ego is. There's an answer that is clear and a fact. It's not open to debate. 

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#102  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

@battyfan1 said:

@Dernman: OMG..........you are the only other person who sees that pairing as horrible like moi.......

i absolutely hated what JLU animated series did to Diana......i found it completely unfair to her character......

Yeah, the way they humanised her and took away many of her overdone qualities and harshness was really annoying. 

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@jrock85 said:

Her love for the Bat is indescribable.

This. I don't understand why threads with known answers exist. It's like asking who Superman's alter ego is. There's an answer that is clear and a fact. It's not open to debate.

Maybe some people just haven't read "Blackest Night: Wonder Woman", which presented irrefutable evidence of her love for Bruce.

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Look what the thought of Batman did to Wonder Woman in Blackest Night.

I also grew up watching Justice League (still do). I knew about them before I knew about GA and BC or practically any comic couple.

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@jrock85 said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@jrock85 said:

Her love for the Bat is indescribable.

This. I don't understand why threads with known answers exist. It's like asking who Superman's alter ego is. There's an answer that is clear and a fact. It's not open to debate.

Maybe some people just haven't read "Blackest Night: Wonder Woman", which presented irrefutable evidence of her love for Bruce.

oh yeah........cause it was really interesting and fun to see Diana love sick....and going after a man that had little interest for her and had emotionally complicated connections to someone else....other than gotham...

YEP TOTALLY great to see a wonderful amazing female heroin be in a ONE sided love affair................................

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@Tunsieon said:

Look what the thought of Batman did to Wonder Woman in Blackest Night.

I also grew up watching Justice League (still do). I knew about them before I knew about GA and BC or practically any comic couple.

this was the SADDEST thing i saw.......totally barff worthy

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@battyfan1 said:

@Tunsieon said:

Look what the thought of Batman did to Wonder Woman in Blackest Night.

I also grew up watching Justice League (still do). I knew about them before I knew about GA and BC or practically any comic couple.

this was the SADDEST thing i saw.......totally barff worthy

Are you kidding me? That was beautiful.

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Batman and Wonder Woman is just the worst comic coupling ever, makes even less sense than her and Superman. Diana turning up in the Bat Cave for a lovey dovey chat before Bruce goes off on Patrol....lmao in my mind it would be so out of character for both of them. In the Justice League animated series it was fine because they both seemed out of character anyway. The only way I ever see Bats and WW in any sort of relationship other than teammates is a far more adult hook up out of lust than any REAL love for the other.

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#109  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: You simply think that way because you don't like either Batman or Wonder Woman. That's it. If you like them both, you will like them together.

I'm at work right now but I'll post some scans about Batman and Wonder Woman. She still has a crush on Superman? My God, you guys haven't read the recent comics.

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#110  Edited By ShadowHuntR

There is the scans showing how Batman and Wonder Woman love eachother. These comics are CANON.

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@ShadowHuntR: I actually do like Batman and Wonder Woman, perhaps I'm not their biggest fan but I enjoy their stories. Pairing them up in a relationship just doesn't work for me at all.

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#112  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: And why not? Superman has Lois. He's planet-busting level and Lois is human. Wonder Woman is indeed powerful but nothing compared to Superman. Batman is human as well. Why they don't fit? Catwoman? That's not serious and Batman told her it was over between them. I do believe that Wonder Woman should get something serious and that they should change Bruce's ways. I mean, there's alot of scans where he totaly shows that he loves her but his ''mission'' is always in the way. Writters gotta fix that.

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@ShadowHuntR: Wonder Woman isn't on Superman's level?? Not sure I agree, and Supes is hardly a planet buster anymore. In fact all your point's are pretty mute now with the New 52. I have always thought Supes and Wonder Woman would end up together eventually but it doesn't bother me if they don't. But Bats and Wonder Woman....as I said, far to out of character for them in my mind.

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#115  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: I know about the New 52. I've read it. Superman owned pretty much Hal Jordan, Batman and Barry. These are good feats. When I was saying that she wasn't on his level, I meant before the new 52. Superman moved Mageddon which was pretty much the size of Jupiter (400 times the size of Earth), lifted a mini black hole, a book with Infinite pages, etc. Wonder Woman's best strenght feat is slowing down the Spectre's fall with the help of Superman.

Anyway, we're talking before the new 52. There was nothing about Wonder Woman and Batman and Superman in the new 52. Superman and Wonder Woman? You plan to remove Lois? You simply can't. You know Superman? Well, you must know about Lois as well. If you ask someone about Lois Lane, they will all answer : Oh yeah, the wife of Superman.

She was there with almost every Supermans. She's history and DC isn't gonna remove her. That's why WW and Superman would never happen. Only in Elseworlds.

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#116  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: Anyway, you have your opinion and all I can do is respect it :P

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@ShadowHuntR: It's thinking like that which holds the characters back and stops them from evolving...and Lois isn't the center of Supes life anymore...the new writers who are taking over the Superman title in March said that he will be getting a new love interest and that he doesn't forsee Clark and Lois getting together ANYTIME soon. Lois has become stale...history is exactly what she needs to be for the time being.

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How is this debatable when she herself has said that she loves Bruce and friend-zoned Clark?

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#119  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: The New 52 is called a reboot. Lois is actualy married to someone else, I know. But maybe you didn't know that the main reason of the reboot of Superman is that Lois wasn't being used enough by the writters and that the fans complained about it. New love interest? Doesn't mean anything serious. Anyway, from the way Superman is right now, he's not gonna get into something serious. Not yet.

Anyway, the question was asked before the 52. I don't know why you talk about it when it's clear that Wonder Woman isn't in love with either Bruce or Clark at the moment. Before 52? It was definitely Batman. I'm showed scans. When she said to Bruce that it was terrible in the machine (seeing how their life might be), you can see that she wanted to stay in the machine. The things she saw weren't bad at all. In one of them, Bruce was in a wheelchair due to old age and they were married. In the other one, Bruce die because of the Joker and Wonder Woman kills the Joker, then you see them fighting together and another one where Diana cries because the Gods don't want to let her get pregnant from Bruce which makes her mad because she wants to give him a child.

I'll try to find the scans. For now, let's stop talking about the new 52. We're not talking about current Wonder Woman. They were always talking about the one before the 52.

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@ShadowHuntR: Lois isn't married to anyone in the reboot...or did I miss something? And are you seriously telling me they rebooted the entire DC universe because the writers wernt using Lois Lane enough...lmao I dunno where you got that little bit of information but its pretty laughable. And all these instances about Diana and Bruce are just stupid (IMO), just DC writers with a hard on for Batman. How could they ever be together, Bruce is to proud, if Diana moved to Gotham and shacked up with Bruce she would clean the city up in less than a week lmao, whats old Bats gunna do then. Just a terrible pairing.

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#121  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: Dude, seriously, We're not talking about your taste. It's about PROOF. You've brought no proof. Nothing. I did. Who cares Bruce is proud? They still had something and you know what? Look at his reaction when Wonder Woman tells him that it's not a good idea for them to be together. I said that it was something the fans didn't like. Didn't say it was the only reason, did I?

Stupid? No. They are trying to make the character evolve a little. His ''crush', with Catwoman is a joke. Don't get mad at me because the writters putted that kind of stuff in Batman's comics. Got, they went on a date. Never seen anything that close for Superman. And she wanted another one because Batman was called to go fight some villains. Bruce is in love with her. There's proof. Maybe you just prefer to close your eyes. Your choice. You don't like them together? Fine. But it's not about you liking them together or not. It's about the way their relationship is in comics.

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#122  Edited By Kairan1979

Wonder Woman before Flashpoint? I'll say Batman. Wonder Woman from Flashpoint? Aquaman.

Wonder Woman from new DC? There are signs of attraction to Superman. Time will tell.

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#123  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@Kairan1979: Actualy, Steve Trevor is coming back in the new 52 so I doubt there's gonna be any developement with Superman.

From Flashpoint? Your talking about their wedding? There was no proof that they had feelings for eachother. If I good remember, the reason was to unite their both kingdoms.

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@ShadowHuntR: What you showed me isn't definitive proof of anything, they didn't stand there and declare their undying love for one another, it's just sketchy implied maybe and maybe nots from the writers. There have been a ton of instance where Supes and Wondy have had similar moments i just don't care enough to find the scans. Bruce and Diana is just a joke pairing done by the writers to satisfy the die hard Batman fan boys. You can't expect them to EVER end up together.

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#125  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: I won't bother with you anymore. You never brought anything to back your claims. You simply don't like them together. I respect that. But if you are too blind and you come telling me that it's still not showing that they love eachother, I'm not gonna bother with a guy who simply refuses to see the scans because he doesn't like them together. That's just stupid.

Answer this question : Is Wonder Woman in love with Batman?

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@ShadowHuntR: Is Wonder Woman in love with Batman....No...Does she find him attractive, mysterious, or intriguing?? Sure, he's Bruce Wayne tons of women are attracted to him. Did she ever come out in the pre flashpoint and post infinite crisis and say she out right loved LOVED him ? i can't think of one time. I'm not actually opposed to them being together if thats what the writers were ACTUALLY set on doing. But from one appearance to the next Batman is different, in his own title he is ultra focused and stubborn and completely dedicated to his work, then in another title in the instances you have shown me he seems completely out of character. If they wanna pair them up fine, go for it, but do it right.

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#127  Edited By deactivated-5d1828448d5f0

@Kairan1979 said:

Wonder Woman before Flashpoint? I'll say Batman. Wonder Woman from Flashpoint? Aquaman. Wonder Woman from new DC? There are signs of attraction to Superman. Time will tell.

this.

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@CitizenBane said:

How is this debatable when she herself has said that she loves Bruce and friend-zoned Clark?

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#129  Edited By ShadowHuntR

@azza04: So you are saying she doesn't love him when the ONLY reason why she was able to become a Star Saphire is because they created an illusion of Bruce Wayne and she end up kissing him, destroying the control of the Black Lantern Ring on her? For God sake, they even planned to have a date together. Actualy, they did but Batman ended up fighting villains with her. She was mad and she asked him another date. What about the time when she fights Mera as a Star Saphire and share her heart with her? How come Batman is there (I already posted the scan). Even Mera asked her why she didn't do anything for him and Wonder Woman said it was too late. And when she comes out of the machine and says to Bruce that they could be wonderful together but that they shouldn't risk to destroy their huge friendship. Look at Bruce's answer : ... I'm not sure he agreed.

Anyway, I'm at work and it's so laggy. I can barely write something. I'll answer back when I go back home.

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@ShadowHuntR: Yeah but that's not LOVE LOVE, that comes from being in a long term relationship which they haven't actually EVER been in. She also said that they could be great together yeah, but she also said it could be a complete disaster. She asked him on a date, that hardly means she's madly in love with him, just curious about her feelings and wants to see where they lead.

Anyway, I really have lost interest either way lol

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@ShadowHuntR:

U obviously love this pairing.......so much so that you are willing to throw logic and proof out of the window........alot of the panels pics that you uploaded are actually counterproductive to your argument........and some actually don't belong there......

for example .....that panel with bruce wayne and aquaman is actually from a batman series that is NOT canon and in that comic batman was dating some lame chick named silver st. cloud.......

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@Rasarima said:

I aways like teh idea of him and WW...but i dont how sex with an amazon would be pleasant , any contraction, and he become batwoman.

Death by Snu Snu

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I want to be different and say Diana should totally get a relationship going with Guy Gardner

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#134  Edited By Iamlovewithin500

@Steps said:

@Rasarima said:

I aways like teh idea of him and WW...but i dont how sex with an amazon would be pleasant , any contraction, and he become batwoman.

Death by Snu Snu

 Futurerama... O_O.... Lol 

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#135  Edited By Deranged Midget

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

Modern Age; she loves Batman. A lot. Enough to overpower a Black Ring and become a Star Sapphire. It's not even a contest. She looks at Clark like a brother in the New Earth continuity.

Good perspective.

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She loves Thor, she doesnt know it yet.....

@Steps said:

Death by Snu Snu

AHAHHAAHAH Futurama!!!!

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#137  Edited By jeanroygrant

@Dr_Columbo said:

I think the question is does Superman and Batman love each other
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

OMG O.O

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I think Wonder Woman is more attracted to Bats because of his past and because of his strong will.

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#140  Edited By TheCrowbar

She loves Dick.

I mean really who doesn't love Nightwing.

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#142  Edited By RyuHayabusa

@hectorsquall: What do you have to say about this?

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@RyuHayabusa said:

@hectorsquall: What do you have to say about this?

She likes it rough and so does he.

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#144  Edited By RyuHayabusa

@jrock85 said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@hectorsquall: What do you have to say about this?

She likes it rough and so does he.

Why not use lasso?

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#145  Edited By hectorsquall

@RyuHayabusa:

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#146  Edited By RyuHayabusa

@hectorsquall: ROFL

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@RyuHayabusa said:

@jrock85 said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@hectorsquall: What do you have to say about this?

She likes it rough and so does he.

Why not use lasso?

Because its not kinky enough. :D

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#148  Edited By RyuHayabusa

@jrock85: LOL

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She loves the guy. He's a superhero. Founding member of the Justice League. Owned by DC Comics.

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...What?

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Ugh! this again. It's been done a thousand times, I should just copy paste my answer and leave it at that. People should just stop getting worked up about this.

O.K here goes... again.

Personality wise if (and that's a big if) there had to be a choice (which there is no need for, all on that later). It has to be Bruce. Why and naysayers need to get over it is because, out of love interest they've played around with. Bruce is the closest in personality to what she could love as part of a couple. Batman is the closest of established possible love interests to what Diana would want. Batman is a warrior, not just a hero. He's the kind of person who will fight his way out of Tartarus and face his demons. He's a man of taste and culture which falls into the Greek paradigm of that a man should be. Along with being an intellectual who solves his problems with brains (Odysseus anyone).

It doesn't take a theoretical physician to see it....But it will never happen or at least for long because if they did....

We couldn't have core Gotham batman stories anymore. How the hell would Diana fit in stories involving murder mysteries, Gangsters and psychopatic human or lower level super-human threats? Crazy conspiracies? These are the stories we have and want of batman, the JLA stories are mostly side stories (important yes) but they are nothing in importance to core stories: The killing Joke, War Games, No Man's land, Court of Owls, the Long Halloween. None of these could happen with Diana in the picture.

That's it. It's perfectly logical to play around for crossovers and universal events but it can't become some core and consistent to Batman stories otherwise we can't have the core stories anymore.

Now Diana, she doesn't need a love interest to make her interesting. She's one of the best DC characters and she has so much potential wasted on a constant basis. What she needs is enough stories to make fans go "WoW!" enough to go tell their friends about her, then the friends of those friends. Diana doesn't need a love interest for her to have good stories about a complex character with a lot to offer a reader. As such constant shipping with XYZ character is not only pointless but detrimental to a discussion about making the character reach the potential it could as a narrative worth reading.

Am I saying she shouldn't or can't have a love interest. No but such an interest shouldn't be there just to titillate fans or have horny 15 years high five when they see her naked posterior after XYZ character finally deflowered her and other fans just scream with incoherent rage. The only acceptable point for Diana to develop a relationship is to tell a good story. That's it. Could a writer pull it off? Sure if this writer creating a story has both the skill, will to follow through with his plans, and the backing to make it happen. Will it likely, track record says no. Her relationships so far have been largely artificial (thought for my part I like Blackest Night with Bruce, Kingdom Come with Clark and JLU again with Bruce)

So in closing, yes Bruce as a love interest could work. He certainly has the qualities to make it happen. Should it happen? That's the real problem as it means a fundamental shift of the tone and scale of batman stories and unless they break up and god status quo resumes (like it's always the case in American comics). The stories told have to be worth it for the batman side. And for the wonder woman side, it absolutely needs to follow the criteria described above, or it's just insulting to the character. And she's already suffered enough bad writing already.

So again, people chill and get over it. That there is the core issue.

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I think Batman is as in love with the Joker as the Joker is in love with him. What I mean by that is, he is married to fighting crime, it is the only thing that exhilarates him, and it is the only thing that truly matters to him. A commited relationship for him is a burden. And he is so cold and callous, its damn hard to imagine him in a real relationship outside of the sadistic one he shares with Selina (who is only attracted to because she is crime, he literally wants to sleep with his job). Honestly, Wonder Woman deserves better than that, and I highly doubt any women would be attracted to the obsessive Batman that is the reality underneath the charming Bruce Wayne mask.

Superman/Clark Kent is the kind of man all women are attracted to... to settle down with. If Diana was still feeling wild and vivacious, I highly doubt she would want to be with him im sad to say. Truthfully, Green Lantern with his confidence and boldness, or Flash with his goofy charm, would be the most likely to score a few dates with a woman, unless she was ready to make a family (and even then, Flash has a strong vote). Fortunately, they are giving both the Clark and Superman personas more bite in the new 52, so maybe he will have some backbone in his dealings with Lois, and will be able to have some fun instead like everyone else, instead of just pursuing Lane forever (all while she has all kinds of male conquests). And I will say, I get the feeling that Diana and Clarks relationship in the new 52 does seem to have, from Wonder Woman's end, a sense of naivety (or newness to "men") and a desire for normalcy, which does explain safe and gentle Clark.

Personally, id be interested in DC being braver and truly more diverse, and exploring the homosexual aspects of Batman.

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Fatale was published by Broadway Comics in 1996. It was a spin-off of Broadway's flagship series Powers That Be, in which the lead character had first appeared in 1995.

Created by former Marvel Comics editor Jim Shooter, Fatale follows the adventures of Desire Hopewell, a woman who has the ability to leech memories and energy from people by kissing them, and her battles with an evil organization called The Brotherhood.

Fatale

Fatale was published by Broadway Comics in 1996. It was a spin-off of Broadway's flagship series Powers That Be, in which the lead character had first appeared in 1995.

Created by former Marvel Comics editor Jim Shooter, Fatale follows the adventures of Desirée Hopewell, a woman who has the ability to leech memories and energy from people by kissing them, and her battles with an evil organization called The Brotherhood.

The series addressed the trend of super-muscular/voluptuous female heroes by featuring a lead character who was likewise large-breasted, and the series often poked fun at her physique and appearance; for several issues, Hopewell is shown with a bandaged, broken nose.[citation needed]

The series ran for six issues, published between January and October 1996 (with an "ashcan" preview issue published in September 1995). The title's end coincided with the demise of Shooter's Broadway Comics venture.

According to The Standard Catalog of Comic Books (Krause, 2002), the comic was promoted in a distributor's catalog with a "life-size" image of Fatale's clothed bust, which the book labelled "one of the biggest advertising missteps in recent memory."

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Tbh I think Orion would be the better love interest for her than Batman, Superman or Steve in New 52.

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#302  Edited By Fallschirmjager

I think they should let Wonder Woman date a chick. Logically she's probably bisexual.

I find all of 3 of her relationships with Steve, Bruce and Clark underwhelming. Steve is just boring and I really do not like Bruce or Clark on professionalism alone, not even getting into the other things

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#303  Edited By TazzMission

why does it matter? she should be a lesbian i mean she does come from a island of only women who dont allow plus hate men and her amazonian sisters believe men are over all bad people. if that isnt a small indication of lesbianisim i dont know what is

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Why is this such a popular thread?

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I agree that Wonder Woman is her own character and should not keep being tossed around between love interests like some kind of prize. Like with all relationships, both people should be equal.

I grew up with the Justice League cartoon and the Obsidian Age comics and other comics around that time, so I admit I like Batman and Wonder Woman being together. I felt they had a real connection and understanding of each other and neither necessarily overshadowed the other. I just like it.

For the New-52, I do not have a real problem with the romance of Superman and Wonder Woman, given that that the new (albeit messy) continuity set it up well enough.

I do know that neither will ever last in canon. Superhero comics are meant to keep going on forever and for a full ongoing romance between any two of the big three would mean that the two heroes titles would have to permanently become one until the characters were broken apart. Love interests in most superhero comics, or at least the ones that last, are the characters that were built up around that hero. Lois Lane ends up with Superman because no one else is going to be using that character outside of ways that she'd fit into the world of Superman. Sue Storm ends up with Reed Richards because they were built around each other and meant to end up together. Same with other characters like Mary Jane and Steve Trevor. They exist in their respective universes only because of the hero they are connected with and those connections have no chance of the hero being anything other than the main focus. Crossover romances tend not to last because then neither big hero is able to be the 100% center of attention.

Thankfully we'll always have elseworld stories and really f**ked up fan-fiction.

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#307  Edited By carterleavyy

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Batman. Di and Clark are just puppy love types...the kind of friend you date for a bit before realizing they're a better sister or a brother than a lover.

Di and Bruce have not really had a chance to blossom as of yet, ultimately I could see a relationship with Bruce prove healthy enough so as to prepare her for more mortals down the line like Steve

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@zarius: I generally stay out of the love life discussions, I honestly don't have much of a preference on who she dates, or IF she dates ... But I'm not sure BM is capable of having a healthy relationship with any woman. He's married to his mission so I can't see him ever putting a relationship first. That's not a bad thing, it's just who the character is ... To be honest that's probably why I don't think any of them need to have love lives that are more than in passing fancies ... Eventually it only hurts them.

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@zarius: I generally stay out of the love life discussions, I honestly don't have much of a preference on who she dates, or IF she dates ... But I'm not sure BM is capable of having a healthy relationship with any woman. He's married to his mission so I can't see him ever putting a relationship first. That's not a bad thing, it's just who the character is ... To be honest that's probably why I don't think any of them need to have love lives that are more than in passing fancies ... Eventually it only hurts them.

This

Note: IMO BM & WW doesn't look like a good fit, but I'm sure some Batmam fanboys will disagree. So this endless debate is a battle of egos between Batman & Superman fans to see who get's the trophy and Wonder Woman is unfortunately caught in cross fire, having no one really caring about the best interest of Wondy. If you see more people say they prefer BM over Supes it's due to more people liking BM over SM... and that's keeping it simple.

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This

Note: IMO BM & WW doesn't look like a good fit, but I'm sure some Batmam fanboys will disagree. So this endless debate is a battle of egos between Batman & Superman fans to see who get's the trophy and Wonder Woman is unfortunately caught in cross fire, having no one really caring about the best interest of Wondy. If you see more people say they prefer BM over Supes it's due to more people liking BM over SM... and that's keeping it simple.

I do, I care about Wonder Woman that's why it makes me sad that she beds the man in whose shadow she walks

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#312  Edited By youknowwhattodo

@foamborn said:

I do, I care about Wonder Woman that's why it makes me sad that she beds the man in whose shadow she walks

I have to agree with foamborn here, while romances in comic books seem rather frivolous, they are actually very important into the development of the characters and impacts the writers ability to tell a good story. Her relationships with Batman and Superman have done nothing to benefit Diana and some do believe that it has damaged the character. The OP's question just makes it seem as though she's a trophy to be won by Batman or Superman. So I think that a fanbase should speak out if they feel as though the most iconic female character has been marginalized by a particular pairing.

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@youknowwhattodo: I think that's a bit of a dramatization to be honest. She's gained a ton of exposure by being paired with SM and has been included in dozens more comic issues because of it. No true fan would think less of the character simply because she is in a relationship ... She's friggin Wonder Woman she doesn't walk in his shadow unless you are too immature to realize a woman can be strong and powerful and still be capable of being feminine. Drives me nuts when people judge her based on simplistic "power scale" measures. Her love life and her status as the preeminent female super hero have nothing to do with each other.

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@youknowwhattodo: I think that's a bit of a dramatization to be honest. She's gained a ton of exposure by being paired with SM and has been included in dozens more comic issues because of it. No true fan would think less of the character simply because she is in a relationship ... She's friggin Wonder Woman she doesn't walk in his shadow unless you are too immature to realize a woman can be strong and powerful and still be capable of being feminine. Drives me nuts when people judge her based on simplistic "power scale" measures. Her love life and her status as the preeminent female super hero have nothing to do with each other.

To be fair, I never actually said that I thought less of her or that she was in Superman's shadow, I was just saying that there are reasons for fans to take into account romantic relationships because they are a big part of the character development and in that way I was agreeing with Foamborn because fans should care. Trust me when I say that there have been relationships that actually taken characters backwards in development. I'm not quite sure if SM/WW is taking her backwards, but I don't think that it has taken her forwards, because while exposure is a good thing (most of the time) there needs to be more for me to view a pairing as mutually beneficial to the development of both characters.

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To be fair, I never actually said that I thought less of her or that she was in Superman's shadow, I was just saying that there are reasons for fans to take into account romantic relationships because they are a big part of the character development and in that way I was agreeing with Foamborn because fans should care. Trust me when I say that there have been relationships that actually taken characters backwards in development. I'm not quite sure if SM/WW is taking her backwards, but I don't think that it has taken her forwards, because while exposure is a good thing (most of the time) there needs to be more for me to view a pairing as mutually beneficial to the development of both characters.

I obviously agree with you, contrary to the popular notion that all PR is good PR, some PR is actually deleterious in the long haul. Wonder Woman would've been better off without Matt Wagner's, Frank Miller's, Mark Millar's, Bruce Timm's, Tom Taylor's (..) and obviously Soule's contribution to the character in many best-selling fan-favorite novels. Female characters in comic books are like the Amazons in Greek Myth, strong fearless women that were created to glorify Athenian heroes, they existed to be conquered. The Romans compared their vanquished enemies to strong stubborn women that resist but eventually submit to the will of men. Likewise, Marvel and DC often pride themselves in having strong female characters but then each is associated with a stronger, more intelligent man so we're back to men>women.

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Take Supes and WW off the table for a second and just highlight one important fact. Batman will never have a serious long term relationship, Catwoman will they won't they at best for Batman, back ground characters for Bruce Wayne.

You may as well ask for Batman to be written as a happy go lucky type of fellow.

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@youknowwhattodo: it's no more detrimental to WW than to SM ... Lots of nonsense floats around that there is some great conspiracy to use this relationship to harm WW, feminism and women in general. To be honest, neither character gains much from this relationship in terms of character development. They both gain from the added exposure despite less than perfect characterization.

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@foamborn: put the thesaurus down and get a clue. DC and Marvel are not stupid enough to deliberately damage their own characters in some anti-feminist crusade. Only a totally ignorant person would leap to such a conclusion.

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Batman

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@foamborn: put the thesaurus down and get a clue. DC and Marvel are not stupid enough to deliberately damage their own characters in some anti-feminist crusade. Only a totally ignorant person would leap to such a conclusion.

And that person's you. You jumped to the conclusion that I jumped to a conclusion that I didn't jump to at all. I know an anti-feminist crusader, you.

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@csg_cl: @foamborn: @youknowwhattodo: If I may interject something here, it seems people tend to have issues with any superheroine dating outside of their own comic, though especially Wonder Woman, for the reasons of 1. they get viewed as a trophy for that hero and 2. being with another big hero makes it seem like the female character is no longer standing on her own merit, but just standing in the shadow of the male hero.

1. I liked the romances of Batman/Wonder Woman (and Spider-Man/Ms. Marvel) not because it would make Batman (or Spidey) look good if it happened, but because I liked the characters themselves and build-up to the relationship made me think they actually did have chemistry and added something to the other.

2. No big hero stands completely on their own merit. All the big hero got to where they are today because they were continuously built up by their supporting cast and that includes their love interests. Lois defined Superman just as much as he did her. Steve Trevor helped bring Wonder Woman to the world. Taila and Catwoman have greatly defined Batman. Relations between big heroes also define said heroes. And just because the main heroes date each other does not mean that they are any less than the person they were before, unless the writer of the story is just re-writing them to "look pretty, shut-up, and make sure I rescue you later". For the most part, when it comes to the main Pre-New 52 and current continuity, the romantic relations between any of the big three in DC tend to be done with respect to both characters (not so much in most Elseworld stories).

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Superman, Batman was a fling in itself Pre 52. Clark married Diana in the future and both of them share more in common than Bruce. Even in pre 52, DIana held feelings for Clark despite him still loving Lois.

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@foamborn: and you jump because I said jump ... I'm not anti-feminist, if you had the first clue what feminism WAS you'd shut that gaping pie hole of yours.

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@aros001: I don't have any issues with super hero dating. I just don't care to have entire story lines devoted to nothing BUT the relationship aspect of it. SM/WW makes sense to me, but I get bored with it quickly too

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@aros001: I don't have any issues with super hero dating. I just don't care to have entire story lines devoted to nothing BUT the relationship aspect of it. SM/WW makes sense to me, but I get bored with it quickly too

Well, that's fair. Some people are more into the romance and some aren't. I myself like seeing the characters interact off each other and how the relationship goes, but everyone is entitled to their opinion as well as what they do/don't like.

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@aros001: like I said, I don't mind it as part of the overall story ... I just dint like when it's the whole story.

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#327  Edited By amazing_webhead

Depending on the writer, she could love any of the other 3 Superfriends

...But usually none of them can get past the Super-Friendzone!

I think the question is does Superman and Batman love each other

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I wouldn't doubt this.

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If I may interject something here, it seems people tend to have issues with any superheroine dating outside of their own comic, though especially Wonder Woman, for the reasons of 1. they get viewed as a trophy for that hero and 2. being with another big hero makes it seem like the female character is no longer standing on her own merit, but just standing in the shadow of the male hero.

1. I liked the romances of Batman/Wonder Woman (and Spider-Man/Ms. Marvel) not because it would make Batman (or Spidey) look good if it happened, but because I liked the characters themselves and build-up to the relationship made me think they actually did have chemistry and added something to the other.

2. No big hero stands completely on their own merit. All the big hero got to where they are today because they were continuously built up by their supporting cast and that includes their love interests. Lois defined Superman just as much as he did her. Steve Trevor helped bring Wonder Woman to the world. Taila and Catwoman have greatly defined Batman. Relations between big heroes also define said heroes. And just because the main heroes date each other does not mean that they are any less than the person they were before, unless the writer of the story is just re-writing them to "look pretty, shut-up, and make sure I rescue you later". For the most part, when it comes to the main Pre-New 52 and current continuity, the romantic relations between any of the big three in DC tend to be done with respect to both characters (not so much in most Elseworld stories).

Female characters don't get "viewed as" anything that they're not effectively portrayed as, usually as less than whatever male hero they're associated with. This was the case for Wonder Woman before they even launched this relationship which contrary to your insinuation, treats Wonder Woman and the fans with absolutely no respect.

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@aros001 said:

If I may interject something here, it seems people tend to have issues with any superheroine dating outside of their own comic, though especially Wonder Woman, for the reasons of 1. they get viewed as a trophy for that hero and 2. being with another big hero makes it seem like the female character is no longer standing on her own merit, but just standing in the shadow of the male hero.

1. I liked the romances of Batman/Wonder Woman (and Spider-Man/Ms. Marvel) not because it would make Batman (or Spidey) look good if it happened, but because I liked the characters themselves and build-up to the relationship made me think they actually did have chemistry and added something to the other.

2. No big hero stands completely on their own merit. All the big hero got to where they are today because they were continuously built up by their supporting cast and that includes their love interests. Lois defined Superman just as much as he did her. Steve Trevor helped bring Wonder Woman to the world. Taila and Catwoman have greatly defined Batman. Relations between big heroes also define said heroes. And just because the main heroes date each other does not mean that they are any less than the person they were before, unless the writer of the story is just re-writing them to "look pretty, shut-up, and make sure I rescue you later". For the most part, when it comes to the main Pre-New 52 and current continuity, the romantic relations between any of the big three in DC tend to be done with respect to both characters (not so much in most Elseworld stories).

Female characters don't get "viewed as" anything that they're not effectively portrayed as, usually as less than whatever male hero they're associated with. This was the case for Wonder Woman before they even launched this relationship which contrary to your insinuation, treats Wonder Woman and the fans with absolutely no respect.

the problem isn't how powerful a female character may or may not be ... it's the fact that you believe they are "associated" with a male hero. It's one of the reasons WW is who she is ... she's NOT associated with a male hero and never has been. She has her own origin, her own solo title, her own supporting cast ... none of which are associated with any other hero, much less a male. She could be less powerful than spiderman and she would still be amazing simply because she is her own character. She doesn't need to beat SM in an arm wrestling match to be powerful. Disgruntlement is your problem, not all her fans need her to be an unstoppable powerhouse.

You choose to make the association a negative, it's only that way because of your simplistic view of the stories presented.

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Allow me to answer your question with another question:

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Neither. Am I one of the only people who see's DC's trinity as a sibling kind of thing? They all look alike and I've always seen Supes and Diana as a brother-sister relationship, but then SM/WW happened.

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I don't dislike the SM relationship, especially since they are portrayed as younger in this universe. But I don't think she needs to love either SM or BM romantically. I agree with the sibling relationship being stronger

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Both

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Definitely Batman. Superman is too dumb to get a chick like Wonder Woman.

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@jade1977: exactly ! I prefer ww independent

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Wonder Woman should be with Batman.

She and Superman is very obvious and it seems forced.They lack the chemistry BMWW has.Bruce and Diana are perfect for each other.They balance each other like a yin-yang symbol and their chemistry is awesome.

An Amazon Warrior and a Dark Knight....a true love

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She shouldn't love either. I'd much rather he find love with some else for a change. The only reason people say Batman is because of the Animated shows. But really it was sloppy, she had no real reason to like him.

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#338 BarbaraGordonakaOracle

I always loved BmWW because they where the first DC couple I got into.besides Dick/Babs.So I got to say Batman;)

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It's Lesbian time tbh

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Actually, she loves everyone now doesn't she?

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I prefer her with Clark for Bruce is in love with Bruce. Nothing gets in the way of his revenge.

Clark and Diana are more like soul mates or twin flames. You just get the idea they belong together. They would be awesome as a family.

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I prefer her with Clark for Bruce is in love with Bruce. Nothing gets in the way of his revenge.

Clark and Diana are more like soul mates or twin flames. You just get the idea they belong together. They would be awesome as a family.

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I prefer her with Clark for Bruce is in love with Bruce. Nothing gets in the way of his revenge.

Clark and Diana are more like soul mates or twin flames. You just get the idea they belong together. They would be awesome as a family.

True Bruce is obsessed with his mission but that creates drama between them which is important in a fictional romance. It can be played out with both characters, Diana struggles with being in a relationship with someone who has difficulty showing emotion, while Bruce struggles with balancing his mission and his relationship and trying to show his emotions.

With Clark and Diana, this appearance of them being a match is artificial. The writers intentionally created the likenesses between them to create this image of them being soulmates by giving them both like personality traits, teasing them even when Clark was married to Lois. Writers can easily make them as unlike each other as possible if they choose.

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This is what Wonder Woman should sing to Catwoman and Lois Lane.

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@arthurkerr said:

I prefer her with Clark for Bruce is in love with Bruce. Nothing gets in the way of his revenge.

Clark and Diana are more like soul mates or twin flames. You just get the idea they belong together. They would be awesome as a family.

True Bruce is obsessed with his mission but that creates drama between them which is important in a fictional romance. It can be played out with both characters, Diana struggles with being in a relationship with someone who has difficulty showing emotion, while Bruce struggles with balancing his mission and his relationship and trying to show his emotions.

With Clark and Diana, this appearance of them being a match is artificial. The writers intentionally created the likenesses between them to create this image of them being soulmates by giving them both like personality traits, teasing them even when Clark was married to Lois. Writers can easily make them as unlike each other as possible if they choose.

it really comes down to writing and anybody even the joker can be a match for anybody but the ease of the writing and that match is far better with Clark and Diana and may I add a story I pay money to read. Batman on the other hand I would pass up. Not saying somebody else would not like that story more power to them. I however find the story of Clark and Diana one that could push the boundaries of imagination and give me a great book to read or in the case of Superman and Wonder Women gives me a great book to read month after month. This couple is amazing and can only get better.

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IDK i grew up with JL and JLU and in the pre new 52 universe they were way better together, a batman very dark but he would die for anyone or do anything to complete his objetives, and Superman was too much of a very good guy. Now dc has a little more darker Superman, and batman well... Internet Access Blocked. I'm gonna leave this and jump from there to this.Internet Access Blocked plus in the pre new 52 dc Wonder Woman was a more warlike warrior than now. 3081532-3192115192-12465.jpg (900×1417). I see bruce wayne in a much better relation ship with Selena Kyle or maybe dc's Talia Al Gul.

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No one. No one.

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neither she should have her own love interest that isn't in the league

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@enzo991:

Oh what the Hell. I won't be able to fall asleep for a while. So I'm gonna answer this.

"Too bad Steve is as bland as a wooden door, and so unrecognizable that DC constantly feel the need to pair Wonder Woman with somebody else. Also, why do you think Wonder Woman should be with Steve ? I can tell that is your personal taste, but I don't see much more evidence to support your claim that "that's how it should be", unless you're a long time writer for Wonder Woman. Also, how can you say that she love them both as brothers, when she's currently making kissy faces with Superman, and pre-52 had major moments showing that WW loved Bruce (Blackest Night being the biggest) ?"

So let me get this straight: You're gonna ignore nearly 70 years of continuity, where Steve is shown to be Diana's first love, yet you're also going to reinforce how Superman should only be with Loise (as you misspelled her name) and Lana? Suddenly that idiom about the pot bottom calling the kettle black comes to mind. Yes, we all know that Diana's love for Bruce is part of the reason she became a Star Sapphire and got through Blackest Night.

But did you also know the story wasn't entirely well-received?

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The point of me linking to is to show that not everyone liked it, or agreed that it was a good idea. In addition to this, are you also going to discount all of the times that Diana has given up nearly everything for Steve, including her immortality? She's even had a child with him (I'm referring specifically to Lyta Fury's origins, before the Post-Crisis retcon). Hell, in most of her origin stories, she left the island to be with him. That far outweighs the interim 'romantic love' she felt for Bruce during Blackest Night. Also, Diana has been paired up with your most hated superhero, Kal-El many times, before the reboot as well (Kingdom Come, Superman: Red Son, The Dark Knight Strikes Again, All-Star Batman and Robin, etc. etc.). That far outweighs the one time she professed her love for Batman. Not only that, but let's look at all the instances in mainstream continuity where Diana and Clark have kissed.

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Or that time that Clark has said that if Diana had died, that he would spin the world around in the opposite direction, just to change time and bring her back again.

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The point is, there's a lot more of an argument to be made for both Kal and Steve. All of the material for them featuring Diana outweighs the few she's had with Bruce, with most of the reason why people want Bruce and Diana together being based on the JL/JLU cartoon, where even Bruce Timm himself said [paraphrasing] "it wouldn't be right" for Diana and Bruce to "go down that path" and get together. So that's something to consider there.

//jl.toonzone.net/episode31/episode31.htm

And fyi, Steve isn't really that boring. At worst, he's whiny and acts like a jilted ex, but a guy with no powers who routinely runs into battle against gods and monsters alongside the Justice League, combined with all of the intrigue of espionage that only being a government agent can bring hardly sounds boring to me. I will cede that he needs to be fully fleshed out, but that still doesn't make him boring. He still manages to be impressionable in the few scenes he's in, in JL. And I'm hoping that when the Wonder Woman movie finally comes out, they'll enhance his status and write more stories featuring him.

"I really can't wrap my head around this, why pairing WW with Bats or Supes doesn't do her any favor, but apparently is a godsend to Batman and Superman ? A relationship is a two ways street, if she is to be paired with one of the trinity, they all have the potential to benefit greatly, assuming the relationship is being written competently. I've heard the same thing from many WW fans, and it never made sense, and it was never elaborated upon beside 'that's how it should be'."

These people make my arguments better than me, so I'm just going to link to them.

//dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/120306144166/wonder-woman-and-the-man-thing#disqus_thread

//dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/98669738501/this-licensed-t-shirt-tells-you-a-lot-about-how-dc#disqus_thread

//dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/67600986986/man-of-steel-wonder-woman-of-seduction#disqus_thread

//comicbook.com/blog/2012/08/26/superman-and-wonder-woman-five-reasons-it-wont-work/

And this argument in particular, sums up how I feel about the whole issue. //imgur.com/YhQlgY2

Not to mention the merchandising for the two of them hasn't exactly been flattering on Diana's behalf as well.

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To be fair, Soule and Tomasi have been trying to emphasize how powerful Diana is by depowering Clark and having her take on two Kryptonians in order save him (earlier in the run) of Superman/Wonder Woman. But still, that doesn't change the fact that in issue #13, Clark had to lecture Diana about patience and compassion (because let's throw all of her characterization since Perez out of the window) in order to show just what a 'great' kind and caring guy he is, compared to her impulsive hotheadedness. It all feels incredibly farcical, banal and boring. I want to read the book for Diana, but the problem is, the writing is so mind-numbing and boring. I'm only paying attention to it for Tony Daniels' art, as I've all but given up on the concept of DC trying to sell them to me as a couple, mainly because it doesn't work.

As for how she gets overshadowed by Batman, I will again, link to people who have made my arguments for me.

//community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?42614-Would-you-like-to-see-a-Batman-Wonder-Woman-romance&p=1242701&viewfull=1#post1242701

Basically, it won't work out because Diana is powerful. In the first issue of Sensation Comics, she was seen cleaning up Gotham in one night due to her strength and compassion. She did what Bruce couldn't do for years. If Diana and Bruce start dating, then she'll either be subjected to plot induced stupidity in order to deal with his rogues (getting kidnapped by Poison Ivy and held hostage till Bruce rescues her, etc.) or Bruce will become and even bigger BatGod™ and take down her rogues, which he shouldn't be able to do. I can just imagine him punching out Cheetah, even though she is the avatar of a God. Batman has a tendency to overshadow the people he works with, and he will certainly do that to Diana.

And to clarify, I didn't initially elaborate upon what I said because I wanted to make a short, quick comment. I had to leave before making that post, so I just made an off-the-cuff, one paragraph remark in-between all of the phone calls and emails I had to answer along with getting ready for an evening class. But if you want me to elaborate, then well, I'm doing so right now.

Nobody is fighting over who deserves WW, that's just what the WW fanboys tell themselves to make WW look like this ultimate prize that everybody is running after.

This comment is laughable. Have you read the whole thread? The whole thread has been about who "deserves" her more, and quite a few people have commented on it. You accuse me of tunnel vision, yet you do the exact same thing. And fyi, I'm not a fan boy. I'm a woman, and I've been a fan of Diana since I was a kid. I'm also someone who wants her to shine on her own, and she can't really do that when she's in a relationship that's not exactly ideal for her.

To make my stance on the matter clear, I hate Superman, I love Batman, and I'm mostly indifferent to Wonder Woman. So basically Superman is out of the picture for me, he should never touch any woman other than Loise or Lana, not only because it wouldn't make sense for him to be with any non-human character, but also because that would take away one of the few "kinda" redeeming qualities of his.

And this is where your argument falls apart and loses all credibility with me. You just want Batman to win, because he's your favorite. Never mind the fact that he's wary of Diana, and doesn't always like her. He doesn't have a contingency plan for her, and whatever plan he does come up involves using Kal-El against her, should she ever go rogue. Let's be honest here, Bruce is secretive, paranoid and obsessive. Do you honestly think Diana should end up with someone like that, who will sleep with her but also doesn't trust her completely? I don't see how that makes for a great relationship.

Part of the conflict of the first few issues of Superman and Wonder Woman was Diana wanting to be out in the open, while Clark hid behind a secret identity because that's how he was raised. If you think the conflict between them was bad, how do you think she'll fare against someone as closely guarded as Bruce is?

Also, how is Clark dating taking away his redeeming qualities? That type of thinking should be relegated to the Victorian Era, where people pretended to espouse values like this while also contracting chlamydia by going to brothels. I don't see how Clark dating and not being with Lois or Lana somehow takes away his best traits. You can, be a good person, and still date other people. I know it's hard for to fathom this, but you really can, so long as you're being safe and not manipulating and breaking people's hearts. Clark Kent just doesn't seem like that kind of guy, as he is noble and good. And besides, I don't get why you think it's okay for Batman to date various women, but not okay for Clark to do so. It's a really old fashioned type of thinking, and one I think we should dismantle, as it does more harm than good. and that's what I'm arguing against here.

And to be more clear, though my ideal endgame is Clark/Lois and Diana/Steve, I don't mind them dating other people. I just don't think Diana and Clark are good together, as they seem to work better as friends and colleagues (as was recently demonstrated in the much heralded issue of Sensation Comics #48).

On Batman and WW. I personally support the pairing, because from what little we saw of it pre-52, I thought it was great. For me to make a relationship work, first the relationship shouldn't go against the established characterization of the characters, second both characters involved must bring out the good aspects in each other.

To me that was the case for Bat and WW. Not only did I find WW to be very endearing in her interactions with Bruce, but I also, for the first time, loved how Bruce acted with a female love interest. I personally believe that all of Batman's love interests are bad, with the majority being forgettable, and the only memorable ones (Catwoman and Talia) being horrible to Bruce, by bringing out the worst aspects of his character, and generally making his life more miserable (which to be honest has been a plot point a few times). That's way I'm a huge supporter of BM/WW or BM/Zatanna, because both of these have a much happier future and character development for both characters in my opinion.

And yet, you haven't really elaborated why you like them together. Your main reasoning hinges on you hating Clark Kent, so it seems like petty gamesmanship and you wanting your favorite to win more than anything else. And Talia and Selina are incredibly complex characters. Yes, they have done some incredibly horrible things in the past (still never forgiving Morrison for writing Talia as a rapist who also wanted to kill her son). However, in contrast to that, you're also forgetting that they can bring out the best in him too, such as when Talia slapped the crap out of him and told him to get it together in order to save Gotham in the wake of No Man's Land. Not to mention all of the times she's gone against her father in order to save him, and how she was spurned on to help Jason out of her love for Bruce.

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Let's also not discount all the times that Selina has helped Bruce and saved him as well. (Anyone remember when she helped Bruce save a bunch of lives in Batman Eternal #2?) Let us also not forget how much Bruce cares for Selina, and how she brings out that side of him, in contrast to his usual, grizzled vigilante persona.

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Not to mention all of the different earths and continuities that have Bruce and Selina get married. Most writers recognize just how effective the paring is. The point is, both Talia and Selina have baggage and are dark and twisty, but guess what? Bruce is too. Occasionally, people with issues like that can drag each other down, but they can also lift each other up as well. People can do bad things, but they are also quite capable of good as well. Life is complicated like that.

And fyi, I wouldn't be opposed to Bruce and Zatanna though I prefer Bruce and Selina. I thought they were cute in BTAS. Though I've always liked Zee single and hooking-up, or with Constantine more than anyone else.

I have much more to say about the subject, but I'll cut it "kinda" short for now because I've rambled for far too long already. Bottom line is, if the relationship makes sense (something I might elaborate on later if asked), it can work if written well. Saying that a character should only be with one character is not only narrow minded, but also limits the character's potential for development.

Actually, it doesn't make sense. Or maybe it does. That is, if you severely curtail Diana's personality and ignore Bruce's fear of her. Not to mention his creepy voyeurism of her private moments with Clark as well. I don't know about you, but a guy who doesn't trust me and spies on me when I'm with my boyfriend? Doesn't exactly sound romantic to me. Not to mention that Bruce has several different love interests and isn't above one night stands. So why should Diana be another on the long list of women he's bedded? Is it because of this twisted fantasy that she can save him and rescue him from himself? Maybe you haven't inferred that, but others have, and I think it's just a fantasy that should be abandoned because Bruce is beyond repair right now.

[As an addendum, the scans about the voyeurism]:

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Bruce and Diana might work in AUs where the circumstances and their personalities are severely tempered in order to fit the narrative of the story, but it will not work in mainstream continuity. Especially now, when Bruce is a few years older than Diana, and he's still quite wary of her. Not to mention that Diana pushed Steve away because he's mortal and she couldn't bare to see him get hurt. How on earth do you think that particular plot point should be ignored in favor of a Bruce/Diana relationship.

Especially since your argument seems to hinge on you wanting her to end up with Batman, simply because you're a Batman fanboy and that you hate Clark Kent.

The bottom line is, I think Diana and Steve make the best couple. It's obvious he's the love of her life, and vice-versa, and given how much emphasis has been placed on them in the New 52 (e.g. the aforementioned JL, Convergence, quite a few issues of Sensation Comics) I think there's going to be an eventual shift towards them getting together again. The bottom line is, though Clark and Diana make sense (for now), they are eventually going to break-up and the status quo will be shifted back to where it was, which is Steve and Diana being together again.

:And to bring it all to a close, one of the main reasons why I love the concept of both Clark and Lois and Diana and Steve together is it both humanizes two demi-gods. They've tried to do the whole 'humanity' thing in SM/WW and while it no longer does, it just doesn't. I've always liked the idea that these immortal beings can fall in love with mere mortals like the rest of us, and I'm a sucker for stories where you end up going back to the person you first loved. Life doesn't always work out that way for both Lois/Clark and Diana/Steve, it has time and time again. And both Lois and Steve were created for Diana and Clark respectively, and they can be together without all of the incredible amount of problems that would come with SM/WW or BM/WW together. I suppose one could make the argument that Bruce could do the same, but given his obsessions, lack of trust and paranoia, and his inability to maintain a long term relationship, do you honestly think it would be a good idea.

And if you ask me the same questions again, then you either haven't read, or are willfully misinterpreting everything I've said.

And that's my final word on this. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a job interview tomorrow and must get some rest so I can continue on with this incredibly eventful and busy week. Now have a nice night.

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@agent41:

"The relationship won't be 50%-50% between WW and one of the 2 men of the trinity. It's not 50%-50% with SM and it certainly won't be with BM. BM is DC's biggest money cow. He is allowed to do stupid things all the time that go against the nature of his character, like one-shottiing Aquaman,Cheetah,WW,Green Lantern,etc, tagging Flash, hurting Darkseid with a simple kick etc. But you can bet WW won't one-shotte joker or bane even when she is millions of times stronger than them, why?, because in many cases popularirty>>>>>>>>power levels."

Power levels have nothing to do with a relationship between two characters. It's the power obsessive fanboys that freak over Batman punching Cheetah, or Deathstroke outmaneuvering the Flash or whatever. This all stems from the horrible misconception that a character that's physically stronger = a better character, so lowly street level humans should know their place and always play second fiddle to the alien power houses.........or so some fanboys/girls of Supes, WW, MM, AM..etc would like you to believe.

Personally I don't agree with this line of thinking, as you might've guessed already. The fact that Batman managed to punch WW in the face, using a 600 million war machine, doesn't spit on WW's legacy, and doesn't mean that DC is favoring Batman over Wonder Woman. Maybe I believe that because of my extensive background in reading Marvel comics, were human characters can deal with any super powered aliens with the right tech and preperations, or because I think that the power levels in the DC universe are ridicules and should be dropped significantly to make writing interesting stories around the characters more manageable. The point is still that the problem lies with the people if they get pissy over who defeats who. Batman got stomped (literally I might add) by WW and nobody got angry over it.

I can't defend nonsensical writing, but that fault lies with the writer not the character. I'm merely discussing the merits of making two characters enter a relationship, based on their established history, and what they stand for. A will written relationship should benefit both characters, and if the writer can't handle that then that's either is his fault, or the characters were not suitable to each others in the first place.

"Generally power level is not the key for a good story, but it is a key when it comes to respecting the rank of a character. It's not enjoyable to see a powerhouse struggling with street levelers just because its partner is more popular and happens to be an street leveler. An story like that just can't be taken seriously, and because of that is not enjoyable."

Not if it makes sense. I can understand Batman being able to fight WW in an advanced power suit, I can enjoy that. However, if I saw Batman knocking WW out with a punch, without any explanation, I would definitely hate it, as that doesn't make Batman look any good, he would just look dumb and I'd lose any immersion I had with the story.

The problem with people however, is that they would never accept their favorite character losing to a character they deem to be lower, no matter what the circumstances are. Take the Batman vs. Justice League fight from Endgame as an example. Batman only managed to take WW out of the fight by tricking her through the use of a magical artifact that rivals her own lasso, and yet people are calling that a humiliating defeat for WW despite the fact that Batman didn't even beat her physically.

I personally thought the whole fight was smart, and the Iron Man fan in me wanted Batman to do something like this for a long time. I thought the fight was well choreographed and the end results didn't leave any character humiliated as many claim (well maybe with the exception of Aquaman, but he had it coming). Of course many would say I'm biased for Batman, but I honestly don't see it that way, because although this might be a rare occurrence in DC, Marvel has stuff like that all the time, and many times it comes from characters that I'm not very fond of (Captain America, Black Panther, Reed Richard) and yet I never thought it was bad writing.

"With SM she is portrayed as a powerhouse but she spends all the time glorifying him like she should be honor to breathe the same air that SM breathes, and her personality and character development are lacking in the relationship(SM is in the same situation in that aspect)."

I explained before how I think that the current relationship between Superman and Wonder Woman is being handled the way it should be, and that's to say it's going badly, because that's how I believe a realistic relationship between the two would play out. It would start sweet but will inevitably end due to the fundamental differences between the two that are not easy to reconcile. Of course it could be written better, there is no doubt about that, but that hinges on the writers not the characters.

"I haven't seen an equal relationship between WW and any of the 2 men of the trinity yet. So unless things change, then i prefer to see her with Steve, there are stories where they show real chemistry as a couple, where both count on each other, grow together, and he has shown he'd go to the end of the world and beyond for her."

Batman and WW never got into a relationship so that you can judge it. Unless you're counting their general interactions outside the possible relationship, and in that case that has nothing to do with anything. Especially considering that WW is one of the few characters that Batman was never shown to look down on or dismiss, at least not since the 2000's.

Steve works with Diana because there is really nothing more to him than being her love interest. I explained how the fact that WW pretty much fell for the first man she encountered does not reflect on her positively, especially when the man in question isn't that remarkable in the first place. At least her relationship with Superman makes much more sense, as compared to Steve he's an extraordinary person. Still, if written well, Steve can have potential because really he's only defined by his relationship to Diana, so it shouldn't be a difficult thing to accomplish, but I still think she should branch out outside Superman or Steve. It doesn't even have to be Batman for that matter.

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